1. Actually the ambiguous position which Shabbir has ( The Kalamullah / Word of God is both eternal and not eternal) is rejected not only by Mutazilla & Shia who believe Quran is not eternal but also by SALAFIS SUNNI who believes Quran is WHOLLY ETERNAL ( with no permission in questioning of how could that be) . If we go to every Salafis mainsite this ambiguous position of Shabbir on Word of God is considered 'deviance from the truth'.
2. Shabbir try to put the "YOU TOO" argument in order to avoid further damage by saying that Christians should also considered The Bible as "eternal part of God". Sadly for him we all know that the TRUE Word of God is a Living Person named Jesus in NT and as Memra in OT, and the sentences and even the letters are only the manifestation of Jesus as The Living Word.
Even further if Shabir or other Jihadist would argue on the "genuine voice/sound/pronunciation by Father & also by Son" as should also considered as some sort of eternal part of God, I even got another ammo: the voice/sound within the pronounciation of what the Father&Son delivers is also defined as The Spirit ( John 6:63).
I dare to go philosophically deeper here, logically every language we know along with its letters are CREATED . We only know that God said "Let it be" in first creation without really knowing how He said it, in my opinion the word "Let it be" is basically a manifestation of the Eternal and not really "Part" of the eternal. True Living God is not consist of letters. However thank God for His Holy Spirit that the spoken "pronounced word" of God such as the words that Father speaks or also parables that Jesus told when He lived on earth , are also has the essence of Divine because those words has The Holy Spirit in their essence.
And talking about God the Holy Spirit no human or even angelic being can ever really fathom nor define how this "Person" operates and manifests Himself. It's amazing He can be within in billions born again believer in "Same Time" right here on earth yet He is also with the Father & Son in the heaven, however remarkably He's also can be present in Hell / Sheol all in the same time (Psalm 139:7-8) So coz of that in the case of how He attaches Himself to "created letters and languanges" is unfathomable yet amazing.
Through Holy Spirit also we can say that somehow God's essence such as Grace, Mercy and Wisdom are "Alive"
3. Salafis Sunni Islam put the focus on 'dead thing' such as letters and Arabic languages and considered them "Eternal", the Ashary ambiguously stands for both Mutazilla & Salafis... we christians not focus ourselves on letters coz letters is Dead without the Holy Spirit ( 2 Corinthians 3:6) even more we don't focus on the "Dead Word" instead we focus on the Living Word ( 1 John 1:1)
A Statement that resounds from the era of patriachs & prophets of OT till Apostles of NT and can't be contested till this modern day an always gives me chill every time i read and heard it is the saying, " We worship the True All-Living God!"
Shabir had just indirectly admit that his 'god' is consist of 'dead/nonliving thing'. Arabic letter & language is certainly a dead thing not living thing nor even a Person !
How sick to imagine A Dead Nonliving Thing can be considered to be eternal as same as JHVH?
Pathetically this is the case on islam, without acknowledging the Word as a Person named Jesus , and also The Spirit as a Person then consequently they end up practically worshiping "A Dead Idol" . This is just repeating the same pattern as in ancient OT era where people worship 'statue of dead idol' yet islam use different package on the outside masking as if they worship the true God but actually still the same on the inside where they fall into the sin of paganism for worshiping Dead Idol.
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2. Shabbir try to put the "YOU TOO" argument in order to avoid further damage by saying that Christians should also considered The Bible as "eternal part of God". Sadly for him we all know that the TRUE Word of God is a Living Person named Jesus in NT and as Memra in OT, and the sentences and even the letters are only the manifestation of Jesus as The Living Word.
Even further if Shabir or other Jihadist would argue on the "genuine voice/sound/pronunciation by Father & also by Son" as should also considered as some sort of eternal part of God, I even got another ammo: the voice/sound within the pronounciation of what the Father&Son delivers is also defined as The Spirit ( John 6:63).
I dare to go philosophically deeper here, logically every language we know along with its letters are CREATED . We only know that God said "Let it be" in first creation without really knowing how He said it, in my opinion the word "Let it be" is basically a manifestation of the Eternal and not really "Part" of the eternal. True Living God is not consist of letters. However thank God for His Holy Spirit that the spoken "pronounced word" of God such as the words that Father speaks or also parables that Jesus told when He lived on earth , are also has the essence of Divine because those words has The Holy Spirit in their essence.
And talking about God the Holy Spirit no human or even angelic being can ever really fathom nor define how this "Person" operates and manifests Himself. It's amazing He can be within in billions born again believer in "Same Time" right here on earth yet He is also with the Father & Son in the heaven, however remarkably He's also can be present in Hell / Sheol all in the same time (Psalm 139:7-8) So coz of that in the case of how He attaches Himself to "created letters and languanges" is unfathomable yet amazing.
Through Holy Spirit also we can say that somehow God's essence such as Grace, Mercy and Wisdom are "Alive"
3. Salafis Sunni Islam put the focus on 'dead thing' such as letters and Arabic languages and considered them "Eternal", the Ashary ambiguously stands for both Mutazilla & Salafis... we christians not focus ourselves on letters coz letters is Dead without the Holy Spirit ( 2 Corinthians 3:6) even more we don't focus on the "Dead Word" instead we focus on the Living Word ( 1 John 1:1)
A Statement that resounds from the era of patriachs & prophets of OT till Apostles of NT and can't be contested till this modern day an always gives me chill every time i read and heard it is the saying, " We worship the True All-Living God!"
Shabir had just indirectly admit that his 'god' is consist of 'dead/nonliving thing'. Arabic letter & language is certainly a dead thing not living thing nor even a Person !
How sick to imagine A Dead Nonliving Thing can be considered to be eternal as same as JHVH?
Pathetically this is the case on islam, without acknowledging the Word as a Person named Jesus , and also The Spirit as a Person then consequently they end up practically worshiping "A Dead Idol" . This is just repeating the same pattern as in ancient OT era where people worship 'statue of dead idol' yet islam use different package on the outside masking as if they worship the true God but actually still the same on the inside where they fall into the sin of paganism for worshiping Dead Idol.